Mastering Decoding People & Personality Types With Ed Anobah (Inspirational)

What if the real reason your relationships, career, or leadership struggles exist… is because you don’t truly understand people—including yourself?

In this powerful motivational and inspirational episode, Reginald D sits down with Ed Anobah—author, leadership expert, Speaker and Bhakti Yoga teacher—to break down one of the most overlooked keys to success: understanding people and personality types.

This episode dives deep into self-improvement, leadership, relationships, and faith and motivation, revealing how your ability to understand human behavior can transform your life, career, and purpose.

Ed shares how personality shapes decisions, communication, and success—and why misunderstanding people leads to conflict, failure, and frustration.

If you’ve ever struggled with relationships, leadership, hiring the wrong people, or feeling stuck in life, this motivational and inspirational conversation will give you clarity, direction, and a new perspective.

This is more than knowledge—this is a mindset shift that can change everything.

Right now, many people are facing challenges like:

• Miscommunication in relationships
• Struggles in leadership and teamwork
• Feeling stuck or unclear about their purpose
• Making wrong career or life decisions

The truth is… most of these problems come from not understanding personality, behavior, and perspective.

Press play now to unlock this motivational, inspirational, and life-changing conversation and start understanding people—and yourself—on a deeper level today.

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Transcript

Reginald D: Welcome to Real Talk with Reginald. I'm your host, Reginald D.

On today's episode, I had Ed Anobah.

Now today, we're diving into something that affects every relationship, every career decision, and every leadership moment in our lives.

Understanding people.

Ed is an author, executive leadership consultant, and a Mahakti yoga teacher.

Ed has a split explored how human behavior shaped success for over 20 years.

And he about to publish his first book on understanding personality types,

a fascinating guide to understanding the why behind people's decisions and interactions.

Welcome to the show, Ed.

Ed Anobah: Thank you very much. Great to be here, Reginald.

Reginald D: Thank you, man. So, Ed, tell us a little bit about, you know, your childhood and where you grew up.

Ed Anobah: Yeah, sure. So I was born in London, England.

I grew up in East London. It was really interesting upbringing. So I am the eldest of three brothers.

My parents actually came from West Africa, a country called Ghana.

They met in the uk Settled down in the uk. Yeah. So it was just a really amazing journey. I went to London School of Economics. That's my undergraduate degree university.

I studied philosophy and economics.

What was really interesting for me, from a very young age,

I started to understand that I had a real sense that there's more to life than just, you know, people just doing the 9 to 5.

So when I was 13, I started exploring things like, you know, meditation,

spirituality,

reading books on psychology,

philosophy, et cetera. And that really started to take me on a journey which I consider to be like a journey of inner development and then also marrying different things that I learned in terms of Western psychology,

science to more internal traditions, more older traditions, just helping to understand the human condition and, you know, goals of life as well. So then within that, I came across many wonderful things about how the mind works, psychology,

personality types, relationships. And I think that they've all helped me to be a better person. And it's given me many insights which I found to be honestly, incredibly useful both in my life practically, but also useful in terms of helping others navigate challenges in life.

So first of all, I'm really glad to be on this call with you, really excited to connect with you. You know, had so many, you know, positive things I've heard about you.

Just also hearing some of your previous podcasts as well. So thank you for having me on.

Reginald D: Absolutely, man, thank you. So let's jump into this. Your upcoming book focuses on understanding personality types in simple terms.

What is the biggest misunderstanding people have about personality and how it shapes their lives?

Ed Anobah: Great question. Oh, I mean, there's so much to share here. There's a wonderful saying I heard this Many years ago that everyone sees the world according to their own position.

And for me, that is such a crucial thing, whether it's in the marriage,

friendship,

family,

community,

what tends to happen. One of the biggest mistakes is we project the way that we are onto other people and that becomes the foundation of many misunderstandings. So if we're not trained to understand,

people are hardwired differently. We have the same human needs,

but we all have a different orientation in the world. And when we understand it, we can understand that people are going to process the same experience in different ways.

It also allows us to really have empathy. Because now if I understand how people think differently, I can not just theoretically, but I can practically put myself in their shoes.

And I can understand how they see the world, how they're going to see the world, how I need to translate the way that I speak in order to connect with them so we can build stronger relationships, stronger families, stronger, stronger communities.

It also helps me to understand, in a professional sense,

where people are strong.

Otherwise, you know, you can hire someone and you can think they're going to do whatever you tell them, but because we are naturally built with different strengths and areas of development,

if I know what I'm looking for and if I know what I want in the workplace, in my team, I can make a very conscious decision to understand what kind of personality is naturally good at something.

I mean, you and I will both know sometimes people have an issue in their marriage and they think that the partner they married has suddenly changed, but actually they were just on best behavior.

But you don't marry their best behavior, you marry their normal tendencies.

Right? So how someone's behaving in the honeymoon period, right? You know,

best behavior, et cetera, et cetera, that may be very different to how they are as a default setting,

you know, so what I've uncovered through many years of study and what we're trying to bring in this book is really how to understand what are those default settings? What are your own default settings?

What are the default settings of other people so you can have a better,

stronger understanding,

awareness and therefore relationship with others. And in my own journey, when I've seen this,

it saved me so much trouble. I mean, I can't even begin to tell you.

Reginald D: Yeah, and think about what you're saying is that if you're in leadership thinking that way, it makes you an effective leader.

So at the end of the day, not just, you know, thinking from a 50,000 foot view, when you understand people and each individual,

then it makes you a better leader. And it makes the whole call that you're trying to do work.

Ed Anobah: Yeah. And it makes things so much more efficient, effective. I often think about people I know who sometimes struggle in relationships where it's friendships or personal relationships.

It becomes so clear to me once that wound has opened, once someone has said or done something that really hurt the other person,

it takes so much more energy to correct the issue.

But if I understand as a default, this is who I'm dealing with, this is how they're hardwired, this is how they see the world,

it can help me to avoid having the car crash in the first place,

you know, so for me,

I mean, honestly, Reginald, especially in this world that we're in, with so many things changing all the time, for me, understanding people is like a superpower. Whether it's hiring decisions,

marriage decisions,

project decisions, community decisions, leadership decisions, it's just across the board, an amazing skill set to have.

Reginald D: Yes, yes, absolutely. So you also talk about understanding the why behind people's decision. Why is that so important for success in business relationships and even personal growth?

Ed Anobah: Yeah. For many years I didn't understand this, but as I started to dig into this topic and research it, looking at many different related fields, it was so amazing. I drew upon this amazing connection,

which is that people,

their perception, even of the environment is different. So, for example, you and your listeners will be able to relate to this. If I'm starving and I come into some environment because I'm starving,

the thing I'm going to notice the most in the environment is food. All opportunities for food. Because what's standing out for me in the environment is directly relating to my needs.

So in a similar way,

because we are hardwired differently,

different personalities will tend to tune into certain cues in the environment and will tend to tune out of certain cues in the environment based upon their personality. Right? Right. And so again, if I understand this, as a leader, I can hire people who have a vision, a skill set,

and a mentality which will help us to drive our goals. Otherwise,

we all know you hired the wrong person.

They can cause havoc. First of all, you spent this time and energy to hire them, number one. Second, the people you didn't hire, they've gone to your competitors. Right.

Number three, you're going to take so many months to train that new person. Right. Number four, if they're a bad hire and they're terrorizing the team, everyone in the team's looking at you thinking, who's the guy who hired this person?

How did they get into the team in the first place. Right. So we can save ourselves all this kind of difficulty just by pulling that personality lens on and making decisions on that basis.

Reginald D: Yeah, I love the way you put that in perspective. Because at the end of the day, like you said, I've been there, I've done that. When you hire somebody, you made that wrong.

Hire, man. The whole team be like, man, what in the world, you know,

I mean,

you take the heat for it, man. You take the heat for it. I've been there, done that. So I'm very careful about, you know, about how I do things and try to look a little deeper instead of just being in a need, you know what I'm saying?

You got to do what's best. That's what the need is. And on this podcast, we talk a lot about finding purpose. How can understanding your personality type help someone align their life and career with who they truly are?

Ed Anobah: It's a great question. I mean,

this was a real journey for me. This was a real journey for me. When I was going through it, the education system,

you know, different topics and subjects, it became clear to me in hindsight, not when I was doing it, but in hindsight. I remember I was at university,

you know, I'm working really hard with the studies, the exams, and I'm seeing some of the dudes, and I'm thinking, these guys are doing hardly any work, but they're acing it.

And I'm thinking, how, what. What's going on here? And I started to realize even then that some of the people I'd been around at a young age, they'd figured out something very significant about their personality.

So they were making choices what to study, career choices, who to marry. And those choices were informed by personality.

So whether it's marriage in terms of purpose, of good relationships, whether it's purpose through what kind of things should I study, what kind of career should I do? Business. If you know yourself, if you have that self awareness,

it allows you to make informed choices. I had a really interesting. It was just like a vision that came to me on this topic. You know, you see these heat maps, right?

You know, like a heat map. So you know, when. When there's like a fire, you have a heat map and you've got all these areas which are red because it means that there's lots of heat.

I was thinking, in the world that we live in now with social media,

the Internet age,

overload of information,

many people, they're overloaded.

They're being given different stories, narratives from all these different sources, instagram you know, different things, telling them that they can do anything.

What I realized is when you know your personality,

actually the heat map changes. The heat map of your life changes.

Instead of having a million things, and I can't tell which of these million things I should be doing. When you understand your personality, then you actually understand immediately what of these 1 million options, these 10 suit the kind of person that I am.

There's,

I was researching this, there's something called decision fatigue.

And I think that many people suffer from that. In the world that we live in now, there's studies which have found that actually people tend to do better when there's not too many choices,

right? When the choices are narrowed down, then you can focus and you can deal with that small subset of choices and you can choose something and move on with your life.

The difficulty we have in the modern society is that because people don't know their kind of personality,

therefore they're overloaded with choices and they don't understand that for all these options, these ones would fit me.

So purpose can be detected through personality. That's what I really learned. Making it even more specific, if I look at career, if I understand what are my natural talents,

right? Sometimes people talk about running the race or winning the race.

Yes, winning the race of life is important, but everyone has a different starting point.

If you and I are running in the 100 meter sprint, maybe you've got a naturally strong physique that suits that. If we're running long distance, maybe my body and my training is better for the endurance race.

So if I know what kind of person I am,

I can play that game where I'm going to be able to win, I'm going to be able to perform well.

You know, the classic thing is like this. If you take a fish out of water,

it doesn't matter what you give it, it's not going to do well because it's outside of its natural environment or the natural game.

So what I often tell young people,

you know, when we mentor or guide, you know, young professionals,

I always emphasize,

let's get to know ourselves first. Let's really understand what are my strengths,

what motivates me, what are the things I'm naturally good at.

One interesting question to reflect on on this is if my friends were in the room and they were describing me, and they were describing what motivates me, when they've seen me light up, what energizes me, what my natural talents are, what would they say?

And if we can find opportunities,

work opportunities, career opportunities,

which align with our natural talents and motivators.

You know, like Steve Jobs said, you'll never work a day in your life because actually what you do, it will be done from a place of enthusiasm, joy, inspiration.

And the secret here, Reginald, which I really strongly believe in, and the research backs this up. People forget. What happens in your professional life spills over into your personal life.

If people are burnt out at work, work is a real struggle. They hate their job. You know, they're confused. You know, they're stressed.

That doesn't stay in the workplace, that spills over into the evenings and weekends,

family life,

social get togethers, community.

But if the opposite's true,

if they do something that aligns with their natural personality styles,

strengths, talents,

they enjoy it. Then they leave the office and there's some energy. Yes, you may be a little bit tired because you're still doing the hours, but it was a great day.

I worked on this. That was really interesting,

you know, so I really feel that we're on a mission here to really help people by connecting to more deep level solutions.

Most people try to squeeze into something and to be honest, sometimes it's necessary. You know, if the job market's not good, this is all that's available at the time. You have to survive.

You have to pay the bills. I get it. But where we have an opportunity,

let's set up ourselves and others for success by starting with, let's get to know you. Let's help you to get to know yourself. So you can choose the game that you can win.

Reginald D: Yes. Wow, man. Wow. I love that perspective, man. I'll tell you what,

when you wrap it all up, what you're saying,

and this is what I got out of it,

it's purpose.

Yeah.

You know, purpose. Cause you say you can have a million things that is not connected to where your personality has you at this place of what you want to do and what you want to build for your life.

And then, you know, and that's how a lot of people fail. And like, because they're trying to juggle things that's not even necessary, you know, so. So, Ed, you work with organizations like Accenture and JP Morgan, from your experience in corporate leadership.

Consultant.

What happens when leaders don't understand the personalities of the people they're leading?

Ed Anobah: They never get the best out of them. You know, I feel very strongly about this. I had a mentor.

He was like a. Just an amazing leader.

Really shaped, you know, my personality in so many ways. He was an advisor to people like Nelson Mandela and so On. And, you know, he wrote some books on leadership, and he also spoke about this extensively.

And I saw his great example.

Leaders, if they want to get the best out of people, they have to care about them, actually.

You know,

and that care, it shouldn't just be theoretical, right?

Care has a natural link to understanding what people need. What do your team need? Right. Maybe a member of your team, they're not showing up in the way that they normally do because they're going through something very difficult at home.

Maybe they're going through a divorce.

Someone else in your team,

you've got them doing management and organization.

But this person is a brilliant strategist. You know,

if I understand how my team's talents are, what their strengths are, then the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Then we can really do amazing things as a group,

and not just do amazing things today and burn out tomorrow, but we can consistently perform. So a leader who doesn't know his team or her team,

they will never be able to get the best out of them. I really love studying ancient wisdom texts to get these deeper insights.

And there's a quote from a wonderful literature called the Mahabharata. And in that book, there's a narrative where you have this great warrior, and his name is Bhishma, Grandfather Bhishma.

And he's lying on a bed of arrows. He's about to pass away.

But before he passes away, he's giving information to,

like, someone who's just about to take on leadership, right, On a large scale.

And he's giving him all of these insights about leadership. And he says,

because at the time, they're talking, you know, in a monarchy kind of situation.

So he's telling this person who's about to become a king, an emperor, he says, the king should know his citizens like a mother knows her children and should care for them accordingly.

And that gripped me. I really loved that because I really saw that. Yet what does it mean? The mother knows her children. It means she loves them, she cares for them, and she understands them.

You know, it also implies something about nurturing that individual, you know, knowing who they are, what their potential is and bringing out that potential.

And of course, you and I, I know that we're both individuals who understand that there's a higher purpose to life. So it's also helping people to be at their best physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.

You know, helping people to really understand that their connection, their relationship with divinity, all of these things. You know, if we can have that kind of leadership,

honestly, I think we can turn the world around for the better. I also believe that because a leader's duty is to also make people feel safe and secure.

You know, to make people feel that you're protected. I've got your back.

And I also think strongly about that because my wife and I were often discussing about how people struggle when they have low self esteem.

And where does low self esteem come from? It comes often from a childhood where they did not feel valued.

So there's a link between how people's self value is and what they experience from their elders, their seniors, their leaders, their parents. Because the link is this. You only protect something that's valuable.

So when the team aren't protected, when children aren't protected,

they are receiving a message implicitly that you're not worth protecting, which means that you're not valuable.

And if we can turn that around, if people feel secure and valued, protected, safe, then they can deliver to the best of their ability and they can pass that on to their next generation as well.

Reginald D: Wow, that's powerful, man. That's powerful because it all starts at the root. And you look at people and then they're 40, their 50s, you'd be like, man, what's wrong with you?

But when you peel it back and as leaders,

you know, we just don't take someone's,

you know, interaction that you have with them and say, hey, this guy's crazy, this lady is crazy, or whatever the case may be, you have to understand there's something that's driving this emotion.

Ed Anobah: Absolutely.

Reginald D: You know, and then you have to manage it in that way. I'm not going to manage this person like I managed the other person. Everybody's different. But at the end of the day, you're trying to get everybody to be successful and go to the next level and max out their potential.

Ed Anobah: Absolutely, absolutely. And the leader knows that the leader's success is the team's success.

You know, you reminded me of something that one of my mentors told me many years ago. He said that all behavior is either an expression of love or a call for love.

So even the person who's being rude, harsh, behind that, you have someone who's hurt,

someone who's, who's in pain, someone who feels insecure, someone who's suffering. And because they're not able to express it in the direct way, I need help, I'm going through some difficulty.

They often express it in the indirect way, through lashing out. And we understand this intuitively. We all know that when we are really happy and fulfilled, we're not going around insulting people and being rude, Right?

When we feel really deeply joyful and content,

that spills over.

So in the same way, the person who's being rude and negative, what's actually happening is their own pain and suffering is spilling over into their thoughts. Feelings. Feelings.

Communications with other people.

Reginald D: Yes.

So many people. Let me say this. Many people struggle with conflict, Ed. I mean, they struggle in relationships or workplaces.

The key question is, how can understanding personality types help people avoid unnecessary conflict and communicate better?

Ed Anobah: Fantastic. From my own personal experience,

it all starts with expectation setting.

You know, some people say, oh, you shouldn't have any expectations of anyone.

Often they're people who've been hurt.

Reginald D: Right?

Ed Anobah: Then other people have the other extreme. Like you tell them, you gotta be like this, you're gonna be like that. I say that both are wrong.

Right? My experience,

and it's backed up by the research that I've done for this book,

you should understand what to expect of people based upon their own personality type. I was looking at this this morning.

There's a difference between tendencies and behaviors, right? So someone may be an introvert, but they're on stage, they're performing a song, or they're giving a presentation,

okay? That's a behavior. Okay? But they're not going to be doing that all the time because they're introverted. So you've got the behavior that they are style flexing in this instance.

Then you've got the tendency. The tendency is they like their own company,

right? They like to be behind the scenes more, you see? So what's the difference between behavior and tendency? The difference is the tendency is your default.

You can act in any way,

but you have a default, right? So in the same way,

in order to manage conflicts, I have to understand what's this person's default tendency?

Because now I understand this is how they tend to be,

and now I know what to expect of them. A lot of conflict happens because I've got an expectation of you. I didn't tell you because I think that my expectation is normal.

Right? You got an expectation of me. You didn't tell me because you thought your expectation was normal.

But often what I expect of people is just a projection of what I expect of myself.

And what's missing is this person is not necessarily hardwired in the way that I am.

So what we want to do is have expectations which are informed by wisdom. So if I know about personality types, I know what this person's default setting is,

right? That's the first point. Second, you Know, what we can do also is we can become better at understanding conflict.

It is a fact of life,

especially in the world that we live in right now.

But this time, this period,

you know, when we talk about Bhakti Yoga, one of the things that the teachings of Bhakti Yoga express is that this time in the world is characterized by two things.

Number one is quarrel or disagreement, and number two is a certain amount of hypocrisy right now. What does that mean? If this is something that's a pattern in modern society,

it means that any marriage,

friendship,

community,

organization that is successful is one where people have learned to deal with conflicts and disagreements in a healthy way. So that means we will sometimes have disagreements with our nearest and dearest.

No problem.

But have we learned, have we discussed when we disagree,

what's the best way for us to,

you know, to,

you know, come to a conclusion? Right.

Maybe in a marriage, the husband and wife decide that, you know,

naturally we're going to disagree sometimes, but what we'll do whenever we disagree, we'll sleep on it. Right. Or whenever we disagree, we'll attack the problem, not the person. Right. So we won't insult the person.

We'll say, I disagree with this idea, or I disagreed with this approach. We'll use our words carefully. And. And if we discuss this before the issue arises,

then we've already had some discussion about what's our default approach. We know we're not going to agree on everything, or maybe we've got an extended family, there's some elders who we both respect.

So when we have a major disagreement, we've already got the relationship of trust and love with the elders in our community who we can both go to with humility and say, look,

we're disagreeing on this. We'd love your perspective,

you know, so I really believe that conflict,

it doesn't have to be negative conflict, can help me to understand my partner, understand my friends, understand my community more. Doesn't have to be negative,

but it does have to be managed,

you know. So those are some thoughts on that point.

Reginald D: Yes. And let's go back to Bhakti Yoke. How does spirituality intersect with personality and personal transformation when doing Bhakti Yoga?

Ed Anobah: Great question.

So for me, Bhakti Yoga has been one of the the greatest source of insight and wisdom in my life.

And amongst the many gifts that I've gained from Bhakti Yoga is a profound understanding of different personality types. So my wife and I,

we did a podcast just a few episodes quite some years ago.

I Think about five years ago, four or five years ago,

and we came up with a model called the team model T E A M looking at four fundamental personality types. And you can find this across all cultures,

races,

genders,

etc. All four types.

One type is the teacher type. This type, you see that they're very much naturally drawn towards understanding wisdom,

you know, being insightful in their area of expertise.

They're naturally quite introverted, very, very reflective people. And they make good teachers, right? Good teachers, good communicators of knowledge, good researchers.

There's another type of personality. We call them the entrepreneurs or the E types.

They're very good at being quick thinking.

They're very good at spotting opportunities, especially opportunities to gain. Right.

You often find these people do very well financially.

Right. They do well in business. Okay. They're able to spot gaps in the market, for example,

they're able to figure out how to get the most output from the least input. So they have that kind of mentality very naturally,

very quick thinking. There's a certain type of personality we call the artist or the artisan type.

They're your, you know, just lovable everyday guy or girl. Right?

Right. The salt of the earth. The, you know, people that everyone can relate to. Like that, right. Just friendly, straightforward.

They often very good in supporting roles, great team players like that.

And then you've got the last group, which is the monarchs, right? The monarch type. They're just natural leaders,

naturally good at protecting people. Very much interested in justice.

Right.

Fighting for the cause.

Right. Standing up against bullies, N. You know, protecting people.

And they're very good at building community, community leaders in that sense.

You know, very interested in doing the right thing,

being just being fair like that, you know, ready to build others up to guide people.

So when we understand these four types of personality,

then we can actually see where we are and where other people are. And Bhakti Yoga, amongst many of its gifts,

that kind of deep insight about the deepest patterns of existence,

that's one of the biggest gifts that I've received from Bhakti Yoga. And it's useful because if we're on a path of spiritual development,

it's not one size fits all. If I want to grow myself and want to help other people to grow, it's good to know what kind of person they are. It's good to know what kind of God given talents that they have that they can engage to help them on their spiritual journey.

It's good to know what is it about this person that can be strengths on the Spiritual journey.

And also sometimes what is it about this person that they may need to be conscious of and careful about? That could be an issue or could get in the way of their spiritual progress as well.

Reginald D: So, Ed,

for the listeners, that's probably feel like they're disconnected or searching for something deeper in their life.

What is one small bhakti practice that could begin today that might change their perspective on life?

Ed Anobah: That's a great question.

One of the biggest and most powerful bhakti practices is actually reading books of bhakti wisdom.

Okay, so in the bhakti path,

one of the most famous books is actually like an incredible conversation which took place on the battlefield. And in that conversation,

tremendous wisdom is shared about the meaning of life,

understanding, personality,

how to make progress on the spiritual path.

So that book, Bhagavad Gita as it is,

is one of the great books. And people can read that and get that practice of reading spiritual wisdom texts. As one bhakti practice, the alpharat, interestingly enough,

is meditating on the names of the Lord, right? So, you know,

hallowed be thy name. Right? So people talk about, in any genuine spiritual tradition,

calling upon the names of the divine, the names of God. That's an extremely powerful bhakti practice that can help people to raise their awareness,

elevate their consciousness, and build their connection with divinity.

Reginald D: Wow, man, you packed a lot this bay. This is great. So let me ask you to say it at the end of the day, if someone reads your book or listens to this conversation,

what is the one mind shift you hope they walk away with?

Ed Anobah: Yeah, the one mind shift that I hope people walk away with is that life becomes deeply fulfilling when we take ourselves out of the center and we put divinity into the center.

And when we have that correct orientation towards divinity,

it allows us instead of misperceiving things because we're looking at everything from a selfish perspective,

it immediately enhances all of our relationships because we understand that we are ultimately servants of the divine.

So now I come to you not to try and exploit, but I come to you to serve.

Reginald D: Right?

Ed Anobah: That same mood of service as I'm developing that with the divine, it now reflected in my other relationships. And instead of me being in the center, which is the root cause of all problems in relationships,

that self centeredness which allows me to be blind to what other people are, what they need, if I take myself out of the center immediately, that changes. So the one thing we can take away is that by putting divinity in the center, not only do I see myself better,

but I see everyone else better. And therefore, automatically we have an enhanced experience of relationships across the board.

Reginald D: Yes. And one thing you said, if, you know, you talking about service and servanthood, I think that's the most powerful thing that someone can do in their life. You know, it just changes things when you get in that role in your life and you shift over into that realm.

So now what I have is what I call quick fire questions.

Ed Anobah: Sounds good.

Reginald D: All right. There's not a right or wrong answer. All right, all right. What is one word that defines great leadership?

Ed Anobah: Compassion.

Reginald D: A daily habit that helps you stay centered and focused.

Ed Anobah: Calling upon the names of the divine.

Reginald D: A book that changed your perspective on Life.

Ed Anobah: Spiritual Warrior 2, by BT Swami.

Reginald D: A piece of advice you wish you knew at 25 years old.

Ed Anobah: Yeah. Understand yourself properly and then make your plans accordingly.

Reginald D: Absolutely, absolutely. Because, man, I got a lot when I was 25. Like, man, I was ******** up bad.

But.

But what does living a meaningful life look like to you?

Ed Anobah: A meaningful life is a life of service,

a life of love. A life where we create legacy in every interaction with each other,

understanding that every person we meet is a child of the divine.

Reginald D: Exactly.

So, Ed, lastly,

I'm gonna ask you this question.

Yeah. What is one motivational message you want someone listening today who feels misunderstood or stuck?

What do you want them to hear from you?

Ed Anobah: Well, I want them to understand is that the love you give pursues you.

Okay. We all feel sometimes misunderstood, stuck. But love is the greatest driving force.

The question isn't whether people are giving me love. The question is, am I giving love and love the way that love looks in terms of practical action.

Love expresses itself through service.

So if I'm a loving person,

and that includes loving myself as well as others, which gives balance, and if I express that in the form of practical service to humanity and through developing my love for the divine, then because I'm giving out love, there will never be a single day in my life where I will not feel that loving energy coming back to me.

What I give out is going to come back to me. It may not come through the same person or through the same incident or the same community,

but the loving energy you give out, especially when it's in connection to the divine, it will always find its way back to you more and more. And therefore, when you feel loved, you feel energized, you never feel stuck.

You always feel hopeful, you always feel a sense of faith and higher enthusiasm.

So that's my message for such individuals?

Reginald D: Yes. Perfect. So now, how can this is purchase Your book. I'll follow you on social media.

Ed Anobah: Yes. So if you follow me on Instagram, then when the book is ready, we'll announce it there. My Instagram. So my name is Ed.

And then Anoba, A for Apple, N for November, O for Orange, B for British, A for Apple, H for Hotel. So feel free to connect with me on Instagram. You can connect me on LinkedIn as well if you wish, but especially Instagram.

And then once the book is out, which will be later on this year, then, you know, we'll make the announcement and we'd love to share this. We honestly feel this book, the contents, the insights will be incredibly inspiring,

insightful and illuminating for our audience. So please do check it out. It's our way of giving back to the world, giving back to society,

giving our heart to all of you. And yeah, we'd love to serve you in this way.

Reginald D: There you have it,

Ed Anobah. And thank you so much, Ed, for taking the time out to be on the show today, man. This has been powerful and I really appreciate your insight on things, man.

Ed Anobah: Reginald, I just say just the energy you have is fantastic. It's my first time meeting you, but I really like that energy. I can see you're a good hearted person.

I'm very honored to have been here having this conversation with you and thank you so much. It's great to connect with you in this way.

Reginald D: Thank you. Ed Anobah. Thank you so much, man. Thank you so much.

Ed Anobah: Thank you.

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