Beyond The Mic: How Dr. Glenn Toby Turned Pain Into Purpose, Millions, Philanthropy & A Movement (Inspirational)

What does it take to go from youth homelessness to becoming a hip-hop pioneer, millionaire sports agent, and global philanthropist?

In this unforgettable inspirational episode, Reginald D sits down with the legendary Dr. Glenn Toby—TEDx speaker, CEO of Glenn Toby Enterprises, and the founder of the Book Bank Foundation. From the streets of Brooklyn to the global stage, Dr. Glenn Toby (aka Sweety G) shares how he overcame childhood homelessness, rose to become a hip-hop legend, built a multi-million-dollar sports agency, and now leads a movement of literacy, leadership, and legacy.

Dr. Toby reveals how words became his weapon for change, how the music industry shaped his business mindset, and why poverty isn’t a limitation—it’s a launchpad. Whether you’re an aspiring entrepreneur, artist, or leader, this episode will challenge how you see adversity, purpose, and your calling in the world.

So many people today are searching for purpose while carrying pain from their past. Dr. Glenn Toby proves that your background doesn’t define your future—it prepares you for it. If you’re navigating broken systems, lost opportunities, or feeling unseen, this conversation will remind you that your story can still become your strength.

 Main Takeaways

• Discover the mindset shift Dr. Toby used to rise from homelessness to global influence in sports, business, and philanthropy.
• Learn how the power of language, rhythm, and presence can help you negotiate deals, inspire others, and lead with impact.
• Get inspired by how the Book Bank Foundation uses literacy and community programs to transform lives and rewrite futures.

Tap play now to hear how Dr. Glenn Toby turned pain into purpose, hip-hop into healing, and vision into victory—this is an episode you don’t want to miss.

Dr. Glenn Toby's contact info:

Website:      www.drglenntoby.com
Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/glenntoby
LinkedIn:      https://www.linkedin.com/in/glenntoby

The Book Bank Foundation: https://thebbf.org

The Book Bank Foundation—a nonprofit organization dedicated to promoting literacy, educational opportunities, and community empowerment across the nation.

Founded with the belief that knowledge is the greatest equalizer, The Book Bank Foundation uses literature, mentorship, and creative outreach to serve at-risk youth, the homeless, and underserved populations. From hosting readin

Transcript

 Reginald D: Welcome to Real Talk with Reginald D. I'm your host, Reginald D. On today's episode, I have Dr. Glenn Tobey. He's a TEDx speaker and CEO of Glenn Tobey Enterprises. He deals with real estate, asset management, technology and entertainment and athlete management. Dr. Toby is also a hip hop legend known as Sweetie G. His career spans 30 years, from an 80s music industry pioneer to a leader in the entertainment and sports management world. Dr. Toby is also a philanthropist and is the founder of the Book Bank Foundation Incorporated, a literacy organization. Welcome to the show, Glenn. Dr. Glenn Toby: Reggie, thanks for having me, brother. Glad to be here. Thank you. Reginald D: Oh, yeah, likewise, man. Dr. Glenn Toby: I. Reginald D: Likewise. I know you're busy, man. I really appreciate this opportunity tonight. Dr. Glenn Toby: Well, we're gonna get it out the mud because I know media runs in your blood, bro. Reginald D: Yeah. So, Glenn, let me ask you this question. Can you tell us a little bit about where you grew up and. And what your childhood was like? Dr. Glenn Toby: Absolutely. Born in Brooklyn, raised in Queens. My mother's from Georgia, father was Mississippi through West Virginia by way of West Virginia, and my father wasn't in my life. At eight years old, I experienced youth homelessness. Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Came home. My brother Randall, mother and I, all of our possessions dispossessed in the street. And we had bounced around with relatives, support from the government, favorites and friends up until about the seventh grade. And then I went to a place called Queens Village College, Queens, Hollis, Queens, you know, Run dmc, Russell Simmons. And I was one of the hip hop pioneers for Queens, one of the first rappers, Mr. Sweetie G. This was during DJ Divine, Infinity Machine, Disco Twins, Understand it from Cypher Sounds and so many others. And I had the hon of performing in all five boroughs, borrowing the old school singing style, merging it with battle rapping and speed rapping to create my own kind of vibe. And I got to play with Dougie Fresh, Grandmaster Flash, Busy B, Starsky, all those guys. And it was an amazing time then. So, you know, I was able to take, I think, storytelling when I was a kid. I was looking through the eyes of a child, but I saw the entire world with no limits. You know, we didn't lack love, we were never harmed, we didn't miss any meals during our struggle. And it allowed me to have the gift of telling a story and it would ultimately follow me to be a speaker, a man that could transfer action with words and turn words into action. Reginald D: Yeah, absolutely. Because one thing about it, man, I remember those days when the 80s rap and all that stuff came out, man, that was real battle back then. People Say you battle rap. That was real battle, man. I will see it on tv. Even I was living in South Carolina. It'd be on mtv. It'd be on something. And the cats, man, they'd be in the street, man, with the boom box over the turntables and they just going, it's a lot different than it is today. No disrespect. Yeah, yeah, but, man, April battle tested by then, man, you had to come with it. Dr. Glenn Toby: You did. You did, right? Reginald D: So you've gone from the streets of Brooklyn to an 80s rap sensation to force features and boardrooms. What part of that journey still grounds you the most today? Dr. Glenn Toby: You know, I think being the gift of song, you know, in the form of rap lyrical poetry, it allowed me to master my words as a speed rapper. And having to choose your words and be witty, it followed me to my professional career where you can be a wordsmith and have a gift of gab, be great with words, but it's got to be substance. And the greatest words and the greatest communicating. It's the words you don't say. It's where the comma is, the inflection, the choice awards. And the gift of listening is the most powerful word you can give to take it in versus putting it out. You can take it in and hold. Can be a tool or it can be a weapon. And learning that language is so sensitive that we have to watch how we talk to people and what we say. And that gift of words, you know, the conscious realm of hearing, whether it's the calling of God, whether it's the calling of my soul, how I see the world, how I saw the world, what people are telling me, what I'm telling the world. That mighty tongue, that word, it can seal deals, it can bring ideas and people to life, or it can become your own death. The power of the word was my gift and it became my ministry, like the work I do, as you know, with the charity, with Book Bank. So this talking had to make sense. It had to resonate. That was my gift. Young. When I had nothing else, I had imagination. And I had to learn to craft and curate those words. And it still takes us all our life, you know, even in communicating to our. Whether it's your children, your loved one, how you feel and what you think. It's a great gift or it can be a curse. Reginald D: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So let me dive into this a little bit. I want to go back to the AIs rap career where you was known as Sweetie G. How did that. That form, when you knew like, hey, man, you know, I got this. Oh, what are the case for me? What made you say, hey, I'm going to do this. This is my name. Dr. Glenn Toby: And. Reginald D: And I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna do this thing. Dr. Glenn Toby: So when I first got into it, I went to a club, and Infinity Machine was performing with a brother named D.J. flowers from Brooklyn. He was one of the. He'd be like a cool Herc in Brooklyn. He'd be like a DJ Hollywood from Brooklyn or Grandmaster Flash, any of these guys with a different style. And I got on the mic when things were slow, and I did the raps because I used to do pause tape raps. That's when back in the day when we would take two or one big box. You remember the box red people had the double cassette. You play your music, put the mic in, and as you're recording, it would become a multi recorder. That's what pause tapes were. So I became popular in the neighborhood doing it when I had the chance to get on the mic when things were slow, I found my voice. I found my inner voice. I found my spirit, my ability to connect and command a crowd. And it changed my life right there. And I didn't know that God was commanding me to master the message of my own as a young man, trying to find my message. But it's carried me to where I try to give God's message, man's message, and my own, all in the same time with the same responsibility. So going on that microphone and rocking the crowd and seeing that I could compete with the greatest, I just didn't look back. It was my calling. Reginald D: Yeah, man, that's awesome. So now you're talking about the music industry, and you got into the game. How did the music industry influence your approach to business and philanthropy today? Dr. Glenn Toby: Wow, that's a great question. Again, Reggie. For me, you know, the gift of song is timing, measure, vibe, structure, arrangement. So when I'm negotiating, like, you know, obviously in the NFL, I was an agent. I had a wonderful agency with Alonzo Shavers. We did over $300 million in business. We did Santi Samuel's $60 million deal. Damian Robinson, countless stars. And when you're negotiating going back and forth, you have to get the rhythm to know when to not cut the other person off or cut that other person off. You have to catch the rhythm, the cadence of when they're speaking, the tone, the temperature, the feeling. And I keep saying what? They don't say the indelible word. What are they thinking? And you develop a Poise. You develop a strategy that you don't always show the cards that you're holding. You don't always show that the calvary's coming. If you're losing, you're in trouble. As an entertainer, you're able to bounce sound and move around and see people moving. You can bring it off the big stage, I'd say, to the. Any stage of the deal or any stage of the negotiation, any stage of the business discussion. So I think it carried me in terms of developing as a young man and how to write things and, like, what I want to express and how to appreciate a crowd and how to rehearse. All of that helped me. It was training, it was discipline, and it was the art which became the art of me dealing. Not the art of the deal, but me dealing and changing in each opportunity. Yeah. Reginald D: Because the thing about it, what you said, is that sometimes you don't show your hand to everybody, you know, and things like that. And I always say to myself, when doing anything in life, you got to make sure you five steps ahead of everybody, even though you ain't telling them nothing, you know, you gotta say, five steps ahead of, you know, we lose the sleep. It might be overthinking, it may be whatever to take time out of your day, but you got to make sure you're ahead of the game when it's all said done. Because when things come, you. You know how to handle, and then you had a leverage. Dr. Glenn Toby: Perfectly said, brother. Whether it's. And like a jazz musician or when you're freestyling. See, that was really you saying that. Yeah. The freestyling came into strategy, negotiating, and timing. Right. When I think about it. So I say I would give it to the ability to change and shift and adapt. Music helped me with that. And adapting to the conditions or the terms or the discovery in a negotiation or in me expressing or providing counsel or covering for a client. Reginald D: Exactly. So let's talk about this. I think this is big with people. I really love your story and the things you went through and the things you overcome, overcame, and who you are today. So let's talk about this. Homelessness can break the spirit of so many people. What mindset shift helped you go from surviving to building your legacy? Dr. Glenn Toby: Wow. Gee whiz, Reg, what you doing to me today? That's a good one, brother. I think it's continuing because when you said, like, you know, when you've overcome, you're overcoming every day. More recently in my TED talk, which you can find on my YouTube channel, Dr. Glenn Toby, I talk about healing and we're healing every day of our life. We don't have to repeat the same trauma, we don't have to repeat the same pain, but we confront it because it's fragments. They're parts of our DNA. You know, it's like a muscle scar tissue. You have to know how to move through all of that and see it as the beauty of the creation of your soul and your purpose. So I think my self discovery on a daily basis, on a monthly basis, and always for decades, even going back, and I don't know if you do it, man. You could think of something your grandmother said to you, you could think of something that a friend said to you. How did you fail in a great relationship? Like you were playing ball red. You came down the court and somebody, you got an argument with your boy because you didn't pass the ball and they're teasing you and you have a. And it's really get serious. People got to break it up. Might go to hands. It may not. All of these parts are extensions that I believe come from epigenetics, come from the programming of our DNA, from how we are not just raised, causation in the community environment, how we exchange with others. But some of it is genetic coding. And I think it's a struggle every day. My premise and my philosophy is that we have to re engineer ourselves. It's a struggle every day. Like, what's your temper? Like, how does it get better? You're looking at relationships that don't work. How can we make the difference and be the difference? I think that's the gift that I get to wake up every day and know that I'm not finished. Pray that my best deal or my best work or my best gift to the world has not been given yet. My best creation hasn't been done yet. And that's why conversations like what we're doing right now, prayerfully, there's some kid that my career, your career, we're doing it. Wants to discuss some of these topics or have a podcast like you. I mean, we're still curating and building, so I know I'm not finished. Reginald D: That's it. That's it. I don't think you finish it. If they go out and say, hey, well done by good and faithful servant. I think that's when you finish, you know? Yeah, legacy still lives on, right? Dr. Glenn Toby: Yes, sir. Reginald D: Yep, that's it. So what do you believe is the greatest misconception about people who grow up in poverty? Dr. Glenn Toby: Yeah, I think the greatest misconception is people, you know, have a tendency of judging people by an area code, by a community, by a part of town. We all do it, you know, this we do on the west side, so we do on the south side, this great ball player, this teacher, this person. So I think people look at the hood as though the hood's not good. And these communities that are underserved, they bring a resilience, a form of creativity, inspiration, of power, something that is channeled like all the force in the world. And when you trigger it and hit it and it goes, there's nothing that can stop it. From the greatest athletes, politicians, thinkers, ministers of our time in these core communities, they're without immunity when they come to the masses because people are judging them. They're looking at how this person walks where they're coming. But the nuance of our people is so complicated. And our people can be a white farmer or someone that's in a trailer park. It could be immigrant that comes to the country, that's in their part of town. It could be, you know, the hood. Where I come from, and my hood was a good hood, my hood was a neighborhood. We were neighborly to one another. And I think people forget that it's a neighborhood. They just grab hood when they. And they classify the way we look or move or some of the issues we have as the hood. So I just think people don't understand that. It's the. It. It holds so much potential, man. You know this. Yeah, it's not about economics. It's about this space, this cultural space, and this label and identification that they give us. Reginald D: Absolutely. And me coming from a single parent home in the neighborhood hood, where you want to call it, the thing about it, you were taught or you saw how to be creative. Your mom can take a little bit of this and that and make a nice meal out of it. You'd be like, man, why this? How did this. How did you make this out of this? We only had a little bit of this, you know, it was all about, you know, there was creative man, and they made more with less. And that's the thing, you know, when you look back on your life, I think one of the biggest things about me is that I look on my grandfather, you know, that was picking cotton back in the days they have seventh grade education. But he owned his own businesses, he owned his own churches, he owned his own meat convenience store, the meat market on land and stuff like that. It's like, man, when you look at stuff like that, it shows you a picture that okay, you can come from this place, but this, the place is not where you're supposed to be. It's another place you're supposed to go. And God has given you division through your ancestors and people like that. So I get it, man. I really get it. Dr. Glenn Toby: Yes, you do. Reginald D: Yeah. Let me ask you this, Glenn. You often say you're a walking testament to transformation. When did you first realize that your pain. Well, let me ask you this. When did you first realize that you turned your pain into purpose? Dr. Glenn Toby: From a young child, my grandmother inspired me, you know, self esteem, love, guidance, prayer. And I realized, you know, inside our home, my brother Randall and I, we didn't miss anything. You know, lots of culture, lots of love. We go to museums, do all these things until we were displaced for a bit. And I realized that it was a badge that God had appointed me with the ability to learn how to live in lack without being held back. And I don't live in a spirit of lack. I live in a spirit of gain. I think by being reduced to common discipline, appreciation, creativity, it allowed me to be a person that would share, that would give, not wanting at all. And I got it all, you know, untold amounts of attention and support and wisdom and money and fame and power and granted gifts. And I've always shared it. I'm a master giver. I would say many will outlive me, but not many will out give me. And I think if you want to give, when you give strong, you live long. So I feel like all of the punishment, the pain, the torture, the trauma, it was just educating me. I had a life full of joy. Like I love my parents, my mother, my grandmother. I championed my failures because I'd go back and work hard, you know, and I think those hardships are granted to somebody that is supposed to be a leader. You're not supposed to lay down and cry. You're not supposed to lay down and die. You're not supposed to even ask God why, but you're supposed to take all of these indelible pieces and use them as materials or as tools for construction, not destruction, right? Reginald D: Absolutely. That makes a lot of sense. And I want to ask you this question now. You advise a lot of high profile athletes and artists, you know, such as llc, Cool J, Olympian Smith Lane at the Lance ready NFL shout out to Samuel. I mean, what made you stay rooted and have that integrity when you are advising them or managing them and doing the things that you do? Because a lot of times I feel like when somebody allows you in their space, you Know, you can say some things, but they like, hey, man, at the end of the day, it's me. It's my stuff, you know. So what kept you grounded and kept your values intact when doing all of this? Dr. Glenn Toby: Well, you know, I stumbled along the way in life, you know, I've made choices that are not the best choices. I learned the hard way. But I think there were a few times if I failed and made a mistake, it was never from the heart. If I had a business decision, it was from the pocket. Not the heart, the mind of the soul. Money doesn't connect with me like that. And what I did was I shift my entire business, and I gave the artist, the athlete, or the client all the control. Because there were a few times that they'd spend it on me. I'd get somebody paid. I'm going to say any names. I get somebody paid, and they decide they didn't want to pay me. They decide that they wanted to shorten the pay. Man, I need this. You're already rich. And I said how I would fix this is let the artist be paid. Let the artist get everything. And prayerfully, my service will be enough that they'll want to pay me. Or I'll connect so strong as a service provider with integrity for the client against the record company, the team, and they'll know I'm a sovereign person. You know, I discovered David Banner and the rapper, actor, amazing, amazing human being. And at the time, the way the contracts were made, it wasn't a favorable contract for him. So we had to go work things out. We worked it out as my brother, and we worked it out amazingly. And I was learning that this is business. There's a difference between business and spirituality and personal. But you can keep the ethics and morality and principles. But sometimes that's going to shift that monster and you can't personalize it. Sometimes you're going to go to arbitration, lawsuits. You'll lose a client. Somebody could fire you. You need to fire them. This is just part of it. You just got to learn to become better and be resilient and use the basic principles of saving, investing, identifying who your core client is. Read adapting your business to the marketplace and identifying where the best spaces are and be prepared to take the losses like you do the gains. If you don't, you'll end up in pain. Reginald D: Yeah, and that's business, man. That's business all day. Yeah, you hit it right on the head. So let's talk about the Book Bank Foundation. It's such a powerful bridge between literacy and hope. Can you tell us about it and what inspired you to create the Book Bank Foundation? Dr. Glenn Toby: Well, one day I looked at my success, how much money I had earned. I was really pleased with myself and was looking for something else to do, you know, Alonzo. And ended up selling the sports agency from there, figuring out where I wanted to go next. Before we did the sale, we were still in the middle of it, and I realized that I had amassed certain amount of wealth, influence, power, and I was able to leverage celebrity clients and me putting myself as an influencer and as a leader to tell people to come back and help resolve our issues and control where, you know, how we want our neighborhoods to look and how we want the children to move. I mean, anything from drug dealers to the police department to politicians, we have a voice on it. You know, self policing means we have to do the work with ourselves. So I started a foundation called the Book Bank Foundation. Books. Because education is the first step to eliminating the disease of poverty. And, you know, poverty is the first step into incarceration, mental illness, oftentimes drug abuse, violence, economic disparity. And then when you think of a bank, we have a mental bank, a spiritual bank, emotional bank, financial bank. Book and bank together is where it is. And that's the foundation of how we can change the decrees of life. We've been around for 29 years, going on 30 with amazing programs. We've. We have something called Shelter from the Streets. We go to New York City, all five boroughs, help the lost, the lonely and the forgotten. We have a program called Groceries to Grow, which is dear to me. And I pause for a second because there's so many families and so many people that don't have the kind of food that they need. They're in a food desert. Imagine a child that goes to school every day and his stomach grumbles so loud that he can't hear the lesson, he can't concentrate. So we work with them on a program where we give them a time to give them good food that we provide privately, directly to the house or at designated centers. And we give them a chance to learn the rudiments of how to save, how to manage, you know, how to shop, how to designate how to make a budget and prepare food properly, as well as maintain it and feed a family. And then they grow to have their own. Moreover, I'm happy about this. The Book bank aviation camp, where we take kids from the age of 12 to 19, teach them about aviation, headed by the great Captain John Addison, one of the leaders in Flight and the aviation world. He's a pilot at Southwest and so many other programs that we're doing. So that's been a part of my ministry. It's a way I talk to people so that I can rediscover myself. People can discover my pain, my pursuit for purpose. They can discover my pain, my failures, my leadership, or my losses. I'm presenting to take the values of my life, to bring somebody else's life to become more valuable. Reginald D: Yes, man. Yes. And here's the thing. Listen to you. You know, you got what it takes, and it takes what you got. Dr. Glenn Toby: Everybody, take it easy. Take it easy. Reg, don't. Don't drop the bars, baby. Reginald D: I'm just saying, man, everybody's not built for that kind of stuff. You know what I'm saying? You know, God definitely has his hands on you. And he's built you a certain. A certain way, you know, he's formed you a certain way for what he has for your life. And I can see it just. And I can hear it just talking with you. Because here's the thing. You've lived through multiple lifetimes in one. Music, sports, finance, philanthropy. How do you stay aligned with your greater purpose through all of those shifts? Man? Dr. Glenn Toby: Wow. Oh, these questions is something else, brother. I learned at the middle of my life. Invest in people. Human currency, human capital is the greatest asset you can ever find. Find the person that lines up with you, that will either meet you and greet you for your purpose or defeat you and stop you from a victory. Line up with them. Right? Find him properly. Find her properly. Invest in them and set up the situation that you're not always giving every piece of the tool or all of the puzzle. You don't want to hold them down and put them on a muzzle. You want to give them enough drink that they can always guzzle. So what I try to say is you got to share it all. A matter of fact, you never know. When you're up against the wall and you got to make that call. You don't have to crawl because you didn't hold back the talent and the blessings and stall. You brought them to the ball and they can shop through the mall. And you got a good friend anytime that you call. I mean, call them to the circle or the center of it all. And this is what I'm talking about. I have to share it. And if I don't do it right, my failure. I will wear it. Instead of me asking Christ to bear it or anybody else, it's on me. What I give is What I get and what I get is what I give. That's how I live and have some fun. You. You dropped the bar, Red. Reginald D: So we. We don't got some of the sweetie G in here now. That was good, man. That was good. So let me ask you this, Glenn, let me ask you this. If you could speak to a young creative or future change maker who feels unseen, unsupported right now, what would you say to them? Dr. Glenn Toby: I would say when you find yourself, and finding ourselves is a lifetime pursuit. If you don't find anything within, find a parent, a loved one, find a stranger. Let them be your mirror. How are they responding to you? How do people respond to your pain? How do they respond to your jokes? Are you connected to your folks? Because if you're not, prophet doesn't always have an honor at home. Maybe you need to find your community, find the village that you need to be in. But you got to listen to the whisper of the voice. The whisper of the voice is the calling of God. You listen to the calling of God and he awakens the voice in you, the firing purpose in you. You don't have to speak, and it'll echo through canyons and the work that you're doing. So young people, younger people, and even those of you that are old, I'll tell you something that I was once told. We have to sit and meditate and listen to ourselves and wake up every morning to try to fix what we didn't do yesterday. We have a chance to be. Because I say I want to die greater than I lived. Silence, being still, being patient, getting space and allow others to live and be patient with the world. And you will catch up to yourself. You will catch up to your calling, and God will seat you on your throne. Reginald D: That's it, man. I'm gonna leave that right there. I got one last question for you. How can my listeners follow you on social media and connect with the Book Bank Foundation? Dr. Glenn Toby: Go to my website. Dr. Dr. Glenn. GL E M-N Toby T-O B-Y.com and all things social media. Glenn, Toby, go to that website. Check out that TED Talk me and Reg were talking about, you know, speaking and communicating like we're doing here. I want to thank everybody that tunes into the podcast. Keep it tight. Let's get it right. Reginald D: There you have it, Dr. Glenn. Tory, man, thank you so much for hanging out with me, man. It's been a blast. And I really, really, really. I'll be honest with you. I really honor and appreciate the things you're doing for the kingdom and the things you're doing for the world, the things you're doing for people, man, you know, we need more people like you in this world. You know, I'm afraid that we keep raising them up to be. Dr. Glenn Toby: That's the key. Reginald D: What, you know what the vision is? Dr. Glenn Toby: Yeah. You know, when two come together. I mean, you're from South Carolina, funny enough. I have a new sports agency. It's called the Winner's Circle. Founded it with Rakim Vick and Brady Jackson. We're going back educating these young athletes because now the universities, the higher courts have now said that universities can pay the players directly with tremendous amounts of money, tens, twenty of millions, and the average athlete goes broke or has financial issues within four years. So we're teaching people in name, image and likeness, which is what we're doing from middle school to university. Right there where you are, North Carolina. We representing amazing ladies. Zoe Brooks, number 35 of North Carolina State, and she's just an amazing athlete, and she's gone from earning some money to a really large amount of money. We're doing a camp in your beautiful state, South Carolina, Myrtle beach. That'll be coming up August 2nd. So, hey, man. Coming back home and trying to be a reflection or trying to be the example of the wholeness of one. Reginald D: That's it, man. That's it. I really appreciate you, everybody. Dr. Glenn, Toby, make sure you follow him. What he's doing is very amazing. Dr. Glenn Toby: Thank you. Reginald D: So thank you for tuning in. Real Talk. Reginald D. If you enjoyed listening to Real Talk, register D, please rate and review on Apple Podcasts. See you next time.